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 Novej љpagбt
Po ne pшнliљ dobrejch zkuљenostech s prvnнmi иeskэmi lany znaиky „Jutaweiss“ jsem hned po revoluci zaиal kupovat, ostatnм jako vмtљina horolezcщ v tй dobм, lana zahraniиnнch renomovanejch firem. Sice za hшнљnэ penнze, ale cena odpovнdala kvalitм, alespoт ve srovnбnн s totalitnнmi иeskэmi lany se to tak zdбlo. Иasem po vystшнdбnн nмkolika znaиek svмtovэho vмhlasu (Edl, Mamut, Roca) jsem se odvбћil s obavami o „vyhozenэ“ prachy vrбtit (po doporuиenн nмkolika kamarбdщ) k naљн иeskй znaиce Lanex a и
Komentбшe (179)20.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Pшejiљќovбnн Jizerek
Nechбpu jestli si nмkdo jinde troufб pшidбvat jiљtмnн do starэch cest, ale v Jizerkбch se to dмje. Nмjakэ prase pшidбvб nэty do cest, kterй bzly vylezeny v 50letech. Navнc je dбvб do mнst, kterб dnes jdou krбsnм zajist vklнnмnci nebo frendy. Konkrйtnм se jednб o Ъdolnн cestu na Nos (2 nэty)a Vмtrnou spбru na Kazatelnu (zatнm jenom vyvrtanб dнra). Moћnб jde i o dalљн cesty o kterэch nevнm.
Komentбшe (72)20.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Polнnko
Algena a jeho svita se иinila na Polнnkбch.
Na doporuиenн jsme v sobotu vyrazili v kompletnн sestavм OS.OS. na Polнnka. I kdyћ, v poslednн dobм jsme tam pшekvapivм иasto. Do soboty z 29 vynejtovanejch a vyиiљtмnejch cest, se uћ dб vybrat. Cesty od 4+ do 8. Klasifikace: pokud jsou cesty od Algenovo party tak jsou o nмco lehин neћ se pнљe, a naopak pokud cesta od Algeny a jeho party nenн tak se zdбlo ћe jsou tмћљн neћ se pнљe. Jen doufбm, ћe иastмjљнm lezenнm se cesty jeљtм krapet oиistн. V
Komentбшe (8)19.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Promнtбnн
Ve иtvrtek 23.5.2002 se v BB budou promнtat poslednн zбvody SP ve sportovnнm lezenн.Parбdnн umнstмnн Mrбzy a prщbмh zбvodщ bude komentovat Slбvek V.
Uvidнte takй ufounskэ pшelez cesty Underground.
Promнtбnн zaиne ve 20:00 Pa a
Komentбшe (4)19.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Mrбza dal top a postoupil do semifinбle
Tomбљ Mrбzek dnes na zбvodech sйrie Svмtovйho pohбru v lezenн na obtнћnost v ruskйm Jekatмrinburgu dal top a postoupil ze иtvrtfinбle do sobotnнho semifinбle. Mrбza ani Slбvek Vomбиko, kterэ ho doprovбzн, se zatнm neozvali, ale prщbмћnй vэsledky jsou na kvalitnнm webu poшadatelщ na www.uralclimbing.ru .
Zнtra mб bэt semifinбle v 10:30 tamnнho zauralskйho иasu, coћ je myslнm ve stшednн Evropм v 6:30 rбno. Finбle je pak v 19:00 tamnнho иasu. Na uralskйm webu jsou fotky a videниka, slibujн i
Komentбшe (2)17.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Kangchenjunga
Pokud by to nмkoho zajнmalo, dбvбm k dobru nбsledujнcн zprбvu: Radek Jaroљ a Martin Minaшнk pokoшili ve stшedu 15.5. tшetн nejvyљљн horu svмta. Vнce informacн najdete na www.radekjaros.cz, pшнpadnм na www.pre.cz/expedice .
Komentбшe (3)17.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Nemoc z vэљky a improvizovanй transportnн prostшed
Иt 23.5. 19:00 divadlo DIALOG Plzeт
Dnes jiћ skoro tradiиnн (druhб) pшednбљka Jany Vobornнkovй (иlenky Spoleиnosti horskй medicнny, љkolitelky instruktorщ ИHS - to kvщli reklamм).
Tentokrбt rozdмleno do dvou tematickэ ибstн, nebude to takovэ hromadnэ nбљup jako prvnн vљeobecnб pшednбљka o horskй medicнnм.

1) Vysvмtlenн a uћiteиnй rady k vэљkovй nemoci pшed prбzdninovэmi akcemi do vyљљнch hor. (Vejљkovku lze pobrat jiћ kolem 2500 m.n.m.). Divadelnн ukбzky opravdovйh
Komentбшe (5)16.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Jsme normбlnн ?
O vнkendu jsme zajeli na nбљ vљemi milovanэ, pшнhraniиnн Kaitersberg. Dojem z perfektnнho lezenн za krбsnйho poиasн nбm pokazila informace, nad kterou zщstбvб rozum stбt. Do konce mмsнce иervna je zavшen Riesenblock, to vљichni vнme a nбleћitм to respektujeme. Je to kvщli sokolu, dravйmu to ptбku, jenћ na tйto dominantм celйho hшebene kaћdoroиnм vychovбvб potomstvo. Sokola letos nмkdo brokovnicн zastшelil ....

Komentбшe (9)16.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Mrбza letн na SP v Jekatмrinburgu
Tomбљ Mrбzek dnes (ve stшedu) veиer odlйtб do ruskйho Jekatмrinburgu na dalљн zбvod sйrie Svмtovйho pohбru v lezenн na obtнћnost. Zбvody budou v pбtek a v sobotu. Slбvek Vomбиko, kterэ ho doprovбzн, volal z letiљtм, ћe se Mrбza cнtн v pohodм, a pшislнbil, ћe bude prщbмћnм esemeskovat info ze zбvodщ. Nмco by mohlo bэt pro Lezce v pбtek a vэsledky v sobotu.
Komentбшe (4)15.05.2002... celэ иlбnek
 Srbsko
Tak jsem byl po dlouhe dobe v Srbsku!
Patecni odpoledne, jak stvorene na kratky vypad do skal, tak jsme jeli do Srbska, je to nejbliz. Mimo nas zde byla pouze particka kluku a holek, navic v Alkazaru vlezli do druheho patra, tak jsme mohli radit na mejdlovem vapne.
" Ty vole, to bylo, jako by nekdo dal podlahu", pravil partak, ale nikdo nekricel o pomoc, zadny rozruh nenastal, tak jsme lezli dal.
Za pet minut prijeli hasici, zachranka a polisi, vsichni v rozmezi par vterin,
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Po ne pшнliљ dobrejch zkuљenostech s prvnнmi иeskэmi lany znaиky „Jutaweiss“ jsem hned po revoluci zaиal kupovat, ostatnм jako vмtљina horolezcщ v tй dobм, lana zahraniиnнch renomovanejch firem. Sice za hшнљnэ penнze, ale cena odpovнdala kvalitм, alespoт ve srovnбnн s totalitnнmi иeskэmi lany se to tak zdбlo. Иasem po vystшнdбnн nмkolika znaиek svмtovэho vмhlasu (Edl, Mamut, Roca) jsem se odvбћil s obavami o „vyhozenэ“ prachy vrбtit (po doporuиenн nмkolika kamarбdщ) k naљн иeskй znaиce Lanex a иekalo mм docela pшнjemnэ pшekvapenн. Ve snaze „bэt vidмt“ jsem sбhl po ћlutэm Viperovi a za zhruba poslednнch deset let to bylo a je asi moje nejlepљн lбso na kterэm jsem vzlнnal. Jako jedno z mбla pouћнvanejch lan se nekroutн, je perfektnм mмkkэ a pшitom pшi chytбnн vмtљнch tlam v ruce nepбlн jako nмkterэ jinэ umмlotiny. Jezdнme иasto na vбpno  takћe docela oceтuju i malou vбhu љedesбtky, kdy v dlouhejch cestбch s haldou expresek je kaћdэ deko znбt! Pбrkrбt si Viper zalez i v Labбku a Sasku a choval se taky mravnм. Nedostбvб se do nмj pнsek a ani se tak moc „nesvinн“, je poшбd pмknм ћlutej. Zatнm nevim, co s nнm udмlб lezenн na stмnм, kde se lano vбlн v haldбch maglajzu, ale pokud na tom bude jako Altea, kterou uћ rok љubrujeme na pшekliћce, tak se mщj novej Viper zaшadн mezi moje favority na „Lano roku“.
Ha! Dobrej nбpad – poпte zkusit udмlat takovej testнk oblнbenosti lan, kdo na иem leze, s инm je spokojenej a s инm ne a nakonec by z toho mohlo vyjнt opravdu zajнmavэ srovnбnн a jakэsi „Lano roku“!
Rozhodnм bude tahle diskuse prospмљnмjљн pro lezce i horolezce, neћ vмtљina tмch planejch debat, kterэ se v poslednн dobм odehrбvaj na Lezcovi (kterej je jinak dost dobrej a dнky chlopci za nмj!!). Tady mбte prostor pro svэ „vэlevy“, tшeba se naљe kritika, иi chvбla dostane i k tomu kdo nбm ty lana plete a pomщћe nмco zmмnit v nбљ prospмch!!
Lezte, padejte a  piљte!!

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 Je to pravda
Je to pravda.......(nejlepљн jsou naљe lana)
Mбm dvм lana ROCA Fanatic(60,75m)- nic moc=> =>nejsem s nimi naprosto spokojen
Podporuji anketu ,,Lano rokuґґ
Zapsal: Kadas, 22:07:58 20.05.2002
 zkuљenost s lany
No nezbэvб neћ se pшipojit ke komentбшi ohledм lan.Pшesto bych mмl nмkolik pшipomнnek k lanщm z Lanexu.Na jejich statikбch pracuji a novб lana mм pшнjemnм pшekvapila , ani po tйmмш roce kaћdodennнho pouћнvбnн nejsou ъplnм drбtмnб . Na hory vozнm Duostary od Lanexu (ty novмjљн 7,3 mm) a taky to nenн љpatnэ ale ... Moje zkuљenost s pracovnнmi lany je takovб ,ћe ani jedna 60 nenн celэch 60m a Duostary obм 60 jsou rozdнlnб v dйlce asi o 2 m (nemмшil jsem ,tak nevнm jsetli je deљн neћ udбvanэch 60 ,nebo kratљн).Pokud hodнme za hlavu laboratornн testy , kterй jsou sice objektivnн , ale o nevypovнdajн moc o komfortu zachбzenн, vychбzн lana z Lanexu cena vs. kvalita urиitм dobшe.Mбm zkuљenosti s jednoduchэm lanem Rocky a myslнm ,ћe je dost v pohodм a celkem spokojenost.Ale poloviиnн lana , nebo dvojиe s щmyslem pouћнvat v horбch uћ takovб slбva nenн.Letoљnн ledy jsme lezli na Kalankбch(tuљнm Edl ,pщlky s dry ъpravou ) - absolutnн pohoda , lana na omak jako navoskovanб ,vћdy suchб ,nekroutн se , potom pщlky od Mamuta - o nмco horљн neћ pшedchozн znaиka , ale stбle jeљtм dobrй.Moje Duostary totбlnн zklamбnн co se tэkб vodмodolnosti ,pшestoћe majн CIAP ъpravu (abych byl objektivnн ,tak letitй Badile ,kterй jsme pouћнvali pшed lety bylo v tomto smмru jeљtм horљн a kdo leze i v zimм potvrdн ,ћe chlupatй lano bez impregnace dokбћe zбћitek z lezenн pмknм pokazit.Obzvlбљtм kdyћ lano nasaje vodu a k tomu pмknм mrzne.).Moje zkuљenosti bych shrnul asi takto - za mбlo penмz mбlo muziky .Roca mi pшijde o nмco mбlo lepљн neћ Lanex ,ale jednoduchй lano na skalky mi Lanex pшipadб jako dobrб volba ,pro lana do hor bych radмji dnes investoval do Kalanek (i pшesto , ћe Lanex pшнjde ani ne na polovic).Letnн hory se dajн taky celkem dobшe sfouknout s иeskэmi lany ,ale zatнm jsou jeљtм dost daleko za konkurencн.Co se tэkб bezpeиnosti ,tak si myslнm ,ћe dnes je to asi jedno co koupit , parametry jsou velmi podobnй.
Zapsal: sid, 22:27:09 20.05.2002
 Lanissima
mбm uћ 3 roky Rocu na vљe(pшekliћka,vбpno,ћula,pнsek,......). Je to dobrэ lano, ale kroutн se a tшepн se mu uћ docela oplet. Asi si koupim Lanex, nebo Mammuta 60-ku. Uvidim.jeљtм nevim. Иus
Zapsal: Luk, 00:12:40 21.05.2002
 viper
moje zkusenost je trochu jina viper se mne zaspinil behem prvnich par dnu lezeni.Koupil jsem ho na netu za 109 dolaru a lituji ze sem nedal o dvacku vic za mamut nebo beal.Mozna je zaspineni zavineno pouzivanim gri gri a reversa muj dva roky stary beal vypada lepe nez novy viper (cervena barva)Jestli nekdo vite cim je nadmerne spineni zavineno hodte info
Zapsal: david, 04:27:04 21.05.2002
 Viper
Poridil sem si letos 90m Vipera na Labaky a jine dlouhe steny (jsem pohodlny a nechce se mi prevazovat...). S lanem docela spokojenost, dobre se s nim pracuje i prutaznost lana je OK. Je pravda, ze lano spini docela hodne. Drive sem si myslel, ze je to zpusobene hlinikovou osmou, ale s cizim lanem se mi to nestava. Cim to muze byt?
PEN
Zapsal: Petr, 09:10:01 21.05.2002
 Uћ to nejsou drбty?
Bolatice - synonymum pro drбt - se pшerodily?

Vonehdб sem od nich zkusil lano o prщmмru 11,4 mm, ъdajnм nмjakej hyperodolnej љpagбt na pнsek, a je to kabel, kabel, kabel... do osmy se to musн lбmat, na slanмnн je to morda.

Jinб zkuљenost - model Eiger - v horбch bezvadnэ. Ovљem neprљelo, tak nevнm, jak se chovб za mokra.

Jinak Edelweiss je Edelweiss. (Poинtбm, ћe mi nмkdo odepнљe, ћe se i Edelweiss vyrбbн v Bolaticнch. Nмco jako Adidas - made in Malaysia. Cha,cha)

Berg Heil Papouљ
Zapsal: Papouљ, 10:00:47 21.05.2002
 Badile
Na podzim jsem si koupil pщlky 8,7 Badile s CIAP ъpravou. Ani v hodnм rozmoиenэch ledнcнch v Tatrбch nenasбkalo vodu. Lezl jsem s nima cca 2 tэdny v horбch a 4 vнkendy na skalбch a zatнm nenasбkajн. Jsou ovљem trochu tvrdљн neћ tшeba Rocca nebo Edl.
Zapsal: Kuba Turek, 12:13:04 21.05.2002
 Mammut
Vybornej napad s touhle debatou, je lepsi se dozvedet neco konretniho vo lanech, nez cist nejaky dementni kydy vo nicem.
Nejdriv sem lez asi tak pet nebo sest let na ceskejch lanech (tenkrat to byl, myslim, model Pantheon), ale vzdycky mi jedno lano vydrzelo tak sezonu, na pisku sel vzdycky voplet rychle do hajzlu. Pak sem si poridil Beal Top Gun (3500,-), ten se prodrel za dva roky (cca 400-500 cest rocne, zula, vapno, pisek). Ted mam Mammut Radical (asi za 4000,-), po dvou sezonach na pisku je zatim uplne v pohode, krasne mekkej, voplet neni nikde prodrenej a zda se se, ze este nejakej cas vydrzi. Super lano, za cenu srovnatelnou s vostatnima.
Zapsal: Pusher, 12:44:44 21.05.2002
 Rocky od Lanexu
Pred rokem jsem si koupil Rockyho od Lanexu, a dшнve i pozdмji jsem mмl mnoho pшнleћitostн pracovat s Alteou a Viperem od tй samй firmy, a Rocky mi stбle pшijde nejlepљн. Pravdou sice je, ћe oplet nevydrћн napш. to co Beal Top Gun, ale jeho opotшebenн dle mne odpovнdб tlouљќce, pouћнvбnн, lezenн na ћule a hlavnм poшizovacн cenм!!! Jedinou vadou Rockyho podle mne je hladkэ "nesametovэ" povrch, u kterйho hrozн ћe Vбm pшi delљн tlamм popбlн dlaт. No ale jinak proti ostatnнm lanщm od lanexu mi pшijde v pohodм. Nekroutн se, netvrdne a je na skalky parametrama a vбhou jako dмlanэ. Mбm pro nмj prostм slabost, ale moћnб je to tнm, ћe do nмj tak иasto padбm, a vћdycky zafunguje :-) Pa Gejza
Zapsal: Gejza, 14:00:46 21.05.2002
 RE: Badile
Kubo, dotaz. Nekrouti se ti ty Badilecka? Mam je taky a dost jsem si s nima v horach uzil...
Zapsal: PEN, 16:13:01 21.05.2002
 Altea - Rocky
Jako svэ prvnн lano jsem koupil Lanex Altea a, protoћe nemщћu moc porovnбvat uvedu jenom svэ postшehy ohlednм tohodle lana. Mбm ho asi rok a pщl. Je na nмm vidмt sice trochu vмk, ale nenн to nejhorљн. Svinн se, ale zase ne tolik aby mм donutil ho nмkdy vyprat. Ale docela dost se kroutн. Je pravda, ћe jsem spoибtku tenhle problйm nesledoval a nedмlal jsem ћбdnou prevenci. Teп ji uћ sice dмlбm, ale uћ je asi trochu pozdм. Lano se prostм dost kroutн. Vzhledem cenм, jsem ale maximбlnм spokojenej.

Jinak jeљtм upozornмnн pro Sida. Doustary jsou pщlky. Pщlky jsou do hor. Je v poшбdku, ћe nejsou stejnм dlouhэ. Je to protoћe skrze rozdнlnou dйlku se komunikovat aniћ by na sebe horolezci vidмli.
P.s.
To nenн z mojн hlavy. To mбm z horoљkoly :).
Zapsal: Ondra, 17:38:59 21.05.2002
 re. Ondra
Duostar je dvojиe .Pracuje se s tнm jako s jednoduchэm lanem , proto mм trochu rozиiluje ta rozdнlnб dйlka.Myslнm ,ћe kvalita impregnace je ъmмrnб cenм .Oplet je zatнm v poшбdku , ale jsou to opravdu kaniиky a tak majн obиas tendenci se motat a kroutit.Ale za tu cenu celkem spokojenost, spнљ to byla rada pro toho ,kdo se chystб kupovat lana do hor a nejsou pro nмho penнze limitujнcн faktor.
Zapsal: sid, 21:33:41 21.05.2002
 To je tak...
Duostar od Lanexu je samozшejmм dvojиe (twin). Ale to, ћe je jeden pramen o 2 m delљн je OK. Pokusнm se vysvмtlit: Vezmмme si, ћe mбme pramen modrэ a иervenэ. Modrэ je o 2 m delљн. Kdyћ prvolezec doleze na konec svй dйlky (udмlб љtand), tak potй musн lano druholezci dobrat. Pшitom svнrб v dlanнch oba prameny a zбroveт za nм tahб. Nu a pochopitelnм prvnн dobere to иervenй, protoћe je kratљн. (u druholezce dole se to projevн napnutнm иervenйho, modrй zщstбvб ty 2 m provмљenй). Prvolezec nahoшe oba prameny dб do jistнcн pomщcky. A pak uћ dobere jen modrэ pramen. (u druholezce se to dole projevн donapnutнm modrйho pramene = signбl "ten nahoшe mм jistн, mщћe se lйzt). Vэhoda: lezci na sebe nemusн vнdмt, ani se slyљet /v horбch pшi љpatnйm poиasн se to stбvб иasto/.
A proи to nedмlat takto se stejnм dlouhэmi prameny? Protoћe obиas v horбch nastбvб situace, ћe prvolezec se ocitne v terйnu, kde nemщћe najнt dobrэ flek pro љtand a mщћe dolйzt "nadoraz". A v tu chvнli by jistiи dole nevмdмl, zco napnutн obou pramenщ zбroveт znamenб (jistн mм?, nebo naopak nahoшe zoufale hledб flek pro љtand?).
A teп zpмt k situaci rozdнlnм dlouhэch pramenщ: pokud prvolezec dolezl aћ "na doraz", bude napnutэ jen иervenэ pramen (kratљн). Teprve aћ po dobrбnн modrйho (delљнho) je to jasnэ signбl pro druholezce dole, ћe mщћe vyrazit.
Uf, a je to. Moћnб to znн trochu chaoticky, ale to je jen zdбnн. Ve skuteиnosti je to prostй. A podlм mм moc vэhodnй. Ostatnм mбm od Lanexu Badile (to jsou pщlky), a taky jsou oba prameny rozdнlnм dlouhй. Moc si to pochvaluji. Impregnaci majн dobrou. Nekroutн se, ale to je asi tнm, ћe jistнm Reversem, dшнve takovэm tнm koљниkem, nмkdy se tak шнkб ATC (podle vэrobku B.Diamondu).
Zapsal: Tomas, HO Sakal, 22:48:46 21.05.2002
 Viper, Duostar,,

Jako zбstupce vэrobce pozornм sledujeme diskusi
o kvalitм naљich lan nejen na tomto portбlu.
Tato zpмtnб vazba je pro nбs velice uћiteиnб a mohu Vбs ujistit, ћe nмkterй problйmy jsou nбm znбme a pracujeme na nich ( љpinмnн, kroucenн), o nмkterэch se teprve dozvнdбme(rщznй nбzory na CIAP ъpravu). Zшejmм neexistuje zatнm univerzбlnн lano do vљech podmнnek viz nмkterй rozpornй nбzory na kvalitu lana VIPER.Tмљнm se na Vaљe dalљн nбzory, s jejich pomocн je naљim cнlem
prodбvat takovб lana, kterб budou skuteиnм dobrб tj. nebude nutno dodбvat " ale za tu cenu..."
Zdravн Vбs vљechny PAVEL.
Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 09:01:12 22.05.2002
 Rщznм dlouhб lana
Zaujal mne postшeh sida a vysvмtlenн Tomase.
Rщznм dlouhб lana - OK. Ale to mnм chcete шнct, ћe tak to je od vэrobce? Vћdyќ se kaћdб z tkaniиek prodбvб samostatnм. Jak by se zajistilo, aby bylo kaћdэ jinэ. To bude nмjakэ љum ne?

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 15:28:58 22.05.2002
 pulky
Nerad bych se hadal s lektorem, ale zvlast se prodavaji pulky u nichz se stejne neda predpokladat jak to s delkou vyjde, kdyz se cvakaj ruzne... tady byla rec o dvojceti, pokud to ma hlava pochopila...
Zapsal: Maty, 11:31:16 23.05.2002
 Re: pulky
No to se Maty nehбdej, vћdyќ vнљ ћe mбm vћdycky pravdu :-)
Ale vбћnм. Pokud si pamatuji, tak jsem v obchodм vidмl vћdy v baliku jen jednu tkaniиku. Nemщћu se teп dostat na LANEXovэ strбnky, ale tшeba v Hudyho katalogu mбљ DuoStar ve иtyшech rщznэch barvбch s cenou za jeden љpagбt. Prodбvб se to samostatnм, ne jako zkompletovanэ pбr.

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 11:55:26 23.05.2002
 Re: pulky
No to se Maty nehбdej, vћdyќ vнљ ћe mбm vћdycky pravdu :-)
Ale vбћnм. Pokud si pamatuji, tak jsem v obchodм vidмl vћdy v baliku jen jednu tkaniиku. Nemщћu se teп dostat na LANEXovэ strбnky, ale tшeba v Hudyho katalogu mбљ DuoStar ve иtyшech rщznэch barvбch s cenou za jeden љpagбt. Prodбvб se to samostatnм, ne jako zkompletovanэ pбr.

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 12:40:06 23.05.2002
 Re: pulky
No to se Maty nehбdej, vћdyќ vнљ ћe mбm vћdycky pravdu :-)
Ale vбћnм. Pokud si pamatuji, tak jsem v obchodм vidмl vћdy v baliku jen jednu tkaniиku. Nemщћu se teп dostat na LANEXovэ strбnky, ale tшeba v Hudyho katalogu mбљ DuoStar ve иtyшech rщznэch barvбch s cenou za jeden љpagбt. Prodбvб se to samostatnм, ne jako zkompletovanэ pбr.

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 13:20:03 23.05.2002
 Pomoc s vэbмrem
Chystбm se do Prahy a chci si koupit novй lano, tak mi poradtм nмjakej obchod kde majн solidnн vэbмr lan z vнce znaиek.
Zapsal: Lik, 13:28:24 23.05.2002
 Pulky
Pravdu mб Mellan, rщznй dйlky jsou zpщsobeny
nepшestnostmi v mмшenн pшi balenн vэrobku.
Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 14:01:16 23.05.2002
 Иeskэ lano...
Jo, taky uћ jsem si zvykl lйzt na иeskэm lanм, fakt se lepљн :-) No a pшнznivб je samozшejmм cena.
Ale kdyћ se tady vyskytuje i zбstupce vэrobce tak otбzeиka: lezu na starљн Altee, kamarбd si teп koupil novмjљн Alteu. Ta starљн je docela tvrdб (tvrdne - podle mйho nбzoru, rychleji neћ u takovй tй "svмtovй" konkurence, ale nestмћuju si, bejvalo to horљн), ta novб je krбsnм mмkounkб (myslнm ћe i mмkин neћ moje lano po nбkupu), ale zase se straљidelnм kroutн, vyklepбvбnн moc nepomбhб, zaинnб se tшepit na zakonиenн a vylйzб duљe - jakoby se vэraznм kroutil oplet vщиi duљi, popш. se oplet srбћel pouћнvбmнm. Jakpa to teda je? A co se s tнm dб dмlat? (teda kromм dobrэch rad jako neslaтovat na tom, nejistit pшes pщlloпбk ani tam kde hrozн velkб tlama a tak)
Zapsal: Tomбљ F., 17:53:08 23.05.2002
 Lanex
Nevнte, jak je s odolnostн jednoduchэch Lanexбckэch lan pшi pбdu pшes hranu? Uћ na jarnнm SportPragu mi иlovмk z Lanexu шнkal, ћe Altea potvrzenн mнt bude. Je pщlka roku 2002 a ticho po pмљinм.
Zapsal: Lurtz, 19:11:38 23.05.2002
 Ad љpinмnн lana
Aby se lano neљpinilo chce to pouћнvat kvalitnн osmy a ne иeskэ "љpindнrky". Koupil jsem kongбckou a lano je jako novэ. To co љpinн lano pшi pouћнvбnн nekvalitnнch osem je prэ jakбsi mezikrystalickб koroze, jak nбm asi pщl dne vysvмtloval љйfmetodik na љkolenн instruktorщ....
A co ta v ъvodu zmiтovanб anketa o lano roku, zkuste lezci z Lezce vytvoшit cosi abychom se my, prostэ lid mohli vyjбdшit k tomu, na иem obиas visн naљe ћitн. Hoj.
Zapsal: Houmy, 21:45:49 23.05.2002
 Ad љpinмnн lana
Rбd bych vyuћil obиasnй pшнtomnosti "Pavla z Lanexu" a poklбdбm cнlenou otбzku:
Houmy mб moћnб pravdu, ћe иeskй osmy jsou љpindнry.
Jб vљak mбm potvrzeno, ћe Lanexovб lana opravdu љpinн vнc neћ zahraniиnн, osma neosma. Protoћe pшedpoklбdбm, ћe "љpнna" je obrouљenб osma a karabiny, ptбm se
Proи иeskб lana vнce brousн?

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 08:08:16 24.05.2002
 lanex
Pro Lurtze,
nevidмl jsem vэrobce, kterэ v prщbмhu roku pшichбzн s novinkama, vyиkejte novй kolekce 2003.
Zapsal: Pavel, 15:39:46 24.05.2002
  Ad љpinмnн lana

Zatнm ћбdnэ porovnбvacн test tu pшниinu neodhalil, pracujeme na tom.
Zapsal: Pavel, 15:42:55 24.05.2002
  Ad љpinмnн lana

Zatнm ћбdnэ porovnбvacн test tu pшниinu neodhalil, pracujeme na tom.
Zapsal: Pavel, 15:42:56 24.05.2002
 Ad Lanex
Pro Pavla z Lanexu,
aћ teп jsem si vљiml, ћe v mйm pшedchozнm pшнspмvku mмlo bэt "na jarnнm SportPrague 2001". Uvidнme v kolekci 2003. Poшбd lepљн pшнpadnм pozdмji neћ dopadnout jako lano Roca Tasmania - mмla udбvanэch 21 pбdщ, teп uћ jen 14.
Zapsal: Lurtz, 16:10:56 24.05.2002
 singing rock
jak je to s lanama od singace? maj je prej dost vymakany-rikaj tomu route 44. mate s tim nekdo zkusenosti?
Zapsal: Smrќбk, 21:23:40 24.05.2002
 Ad љpinмnн lana
Musнm souhlasit s Mellounem. Lanex љpinн vнc osma neosma. Dle mйho nбzoru to jednoznaиnм zpщsobuje prach a bordel, kterэ se na lano pшi vбlenн na zemi dostбvб do pуrъ opletu. Vypranэ nebo novэ lano to nedмlб, zasvinмnэ okamћitм. Ten prach a mikroибstice prostм brousн hlinнk (jak osma tak exprdy) a ten pak mбme na prackбch. Mбm Alteu dva roky starou a љpinavou jн vytбhnout z osmy pшi podбvбnн je fakt napшнjemnб makaиka. Sparing mб Rocky a ta je o poznбnн lepљн, ale dle mм je to jen menљнm prщmмrem. Љpinн taky. Co se tэиe ostatnнch vlastnostн lan Lanex jsem nezaznamenal vмtљн problйmy. Samozшejmм s ohledem na cenu a cнlovou skupinu. Nebudeme pшeci porovnбvat Fбbiji s Galantem.
PS. Pavle z Lanexu, prosнm buп konkrйtnн. Hlбљky typu "Pracujeme na tom" nebo "Vyиkejte.." jsou nekonkrйtnн. Nбs zajнmajн konkrйtnн pшниiny problйmщ s lany, jak jim pшнpadnм pшedchбzet, novй poznatky. Kdo jinэ neћ nejlepљн vэrobce v ИR by mмl poskytovat tak dщleћitй objektivnн informace. Taky se pohybuji v obchodм a vнm, ћe pokud dodavatel okamћitм na poћбdбnн poskytne technickй rady a informace, prostм kvalitnн servis, lidi za nнm pщjdou a budou u nмj nakupovat. Cena je vљude ve vyspмlйm svмtм dnes podruћnб. Myslнm, ћe v souиasnosti Lanex vљichni kupujeme pouze kvщli cenм a rozumnэm parametrщm. Bouhuћel zatнm niинm nevynikбte. To ale snad pшijde. Pшeju hodnм sil ve Vaљн prбci. A dбvejte nбm o sobм vмdмt.
Zapsal: Azbest, 22:22:05 24.05.2002
 Lanex
Ahoj,
myslнm si, ћe lana jsou kvalitnн, uэ to nejsou ty starэ drбty, na kterэch jsme podnikli spoustu tмћkэch vмcн. osobnм se mi zdб Roca tvrdљн a vнce se kroutн, dobшe se mi pracuje s Alteou, kterб je mмkин a pruћnмjљн( taky mбm rбd trlustљн lana s pшibэvajнcнm vмkem. Teп zkouљнme Vaipera, dobrэ, mмkэ, barevnм vyvedenэ, nekroutн se, dobшe klouћe ale napш. s pouћitнm Gri-Gri(dnes hodnм vyuћнvбnэ mlбdeћн) dost projнћdн spбtky, je to holt 9. Takћe to chce slabљн samosvor. Rocka tak neprojнћdн, je tvrdљн. Otбzkou bude odolnost a stбlost po roce pouћнvбnн. Vљichni vнme ћe na zahraniиnнch lanech jsme lezli vнce let, kaћdэ podle frekvenci pouћitн. Jinak krok dopшedu, jen tak dбl, ono se to vyvrbн - kvalita = ъmмrnб cena.
Zapsal: Marvan, 09:41:27 26.05.2002
 Ad Singing Rocl
Trochu jsem se zajimal o lana od SR. Na podzim se jim na webu objevila informace o R44 a jejich stat. lanech, psali, ze od podzimu 2001 budou v kramech v prodeji a ze pozdeji udelaji i dynamicka lana. Na prelomu roku jsem mailoval, kde se nechaji statiky koupit, nabidli mi pouze, ze mi je poslou postou nebo ze se mam zeptat ve Warmpaece/Slavikova/Praha. Tam jsem psal ted v kvetnu a odpoved byla, ze stat. lana od SR jsou objednana. Nejevi se mi teda, ze by zatim predstavovali pro Lanex nejakou konkurenci.
Zapsal: Lurtz, 20:10:43 26.05.2002
 Lanex a UIAA?
Na serveru ИHS se objevila informace, ћe zkuљebny, kde Lanex testuje svб lana ztratily akreditaci UIAA a ћe tнm pбdem lana Lanexu nemajн tento oficiбlnн atest. Mщћe se k tomu nмkdo z Lanexu vyjбdшit? Dмkuji.
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 15:35:38 28.05.2002
 Lanex a UIAA

Veљkerб dynamickб lana uvбdмnб na trh majн Label
UIAA.
Za tuto skuteиnost jsem osobnм zodpovмdnэ, kdyby
tomu tak nebylo asi bych zde jiћ nepracoval.
Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 15:56:23 28.05.2002
 Lanex a UIAA
Toto vyjбdшenн je ponмkud nekonkrйtnн a proklamativnн. Radмji bych, kdybyste se mohl konkrйtnм vyjбdшit k jednotlivэm bodщm tohoto dopisu:
======================================
otevшenэ dopis Lanexu - vysvмtlenн rezignace na љйfa BK 20.12.2001 13:23 Vladimнr Kшapka

Vбћenэ pane generбlnн шediteli,
vzhledem k proklamovanй иestnosti a seriуznosti firmy Lanex, o kterй nepochybuji, si vбz dovoluji zdvoшile upozornit na fakt, ћe bezpeиnostnн komise dodud neobdrћela (alespoт pokud jб vнm) kopie certifikбtщ UIAA na vaљe horolezeckб lana. Vнte jistм velmi dobшe, ћe zkuљbna TЬV Vнdeт, kde jsou vaљe lana certifikovбna, nemб oprбvnмnн UIAA. Tйto zkuљebnм byla pшed nмkolika lety akreditace UIAA odebranб - a stejnм je tomu i v pшнpadм zkuљebny v Ostravм. Jste-li skuteиnм vlastnнky labelщ UIAA na vљechny typy horolezeckэch lan, jak uvбdнte v katalogu Lanex, doloћte to prosнm kopiemi UIAA certifikбtщ. Pak by ovљem musela chyba vzniknout pшнmo v centru UIAA, kam jsem jiћ vznesl dotaz. Odpovмdi dosud neznбm.
Ani vaљe vysvмtlenн horolezeckй veшejnosti, kterб se v katalogu Lanex setkala s nekalosoutмћnнm nadhodnocovбnнm parametrщ statickэch lan, kterэm byste na pravou mнru uvedl vaљe "tiskovй omyly", jsem v ћбdnйm mйdiu nezaregistroval.
Na zбvмr bych rбd uvedl, ћe za mojн aktivitou v BK ИHS lze sice z vaљeho ъhlu pohledu vidмt stшet zбjmщ, ale mne vћdy v prvnн шadм zajнmala bezpeиnost horolezeckй vэbroje. Padni komu padni.
Samozшejmм, tнm ћe SINGING ROCK vyrбbн jak horolezeckй ъvazky, karabiny, a novм i lana - mбm o tomto sortimentu pomмrnм hlubokй znalosti a mбm i zmapovanй jednotlivй vэrobce, znбm jejich produkty a vнm kde se snaћн koneиnйho uћivatale "oљulit" marketingem, aniћ by brali na zшetel v prvй шadм uћivatelovu bezpeиnost. Zde jsme se tedy stшetli a vљe nakonec skonиilo mojн rezignacн na funkci љйfa BK ИHS. Skuteиnм nestrannйmu nбstupci, najde-li se, pшeji v pokraиovбnн mnoho zdaru. Vљem i Vбm pane шediteli pak pшeji zejmйna zdravн a љtмstн v Novйm roce a vмшнm, ћe pшes konflikty se posuneme na vyљљн kvalitativnн ъroveт, takћe z naљich diskuzн nakonec bude mнt uћitek Nбљ Zбkaznнk - tedy koneиnэ uћivatel, horolezec.
S pшбtelskэm pozdravem

Ing. Vladimнr Kшapka
===========================konec citace
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 16:11:13 28.05.2002
 Lanex a UIAA

Platnost certifikбtщ jsem Vбm ochoten doloћit potvrzenнm pшedsedy bezpeиnostnн komise UIAA
pana P. Schuberta. To je mбlo?
Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 16:17:55 28.05.2002
 Lanex a UIAA
Toto vyjбdшenн je ponмkud nekonkrйtnн a proklamativnн. Radмji bych, kdybyste se mohl konkrйtnм vyjбdшit k jednotlivэm bodщm tohoto dopisu:
======================================
otevшenэ dopis Lanexu - vysvмtlenн rezignace na љйfa BK 20.12.2001 13:23 Vladimнr Kшapka

Vбћenэ pane generбlnн шediteli,
vzhledem k proklamovanй иestnosti a seriуznosti firmy Lanex, o kterй nepochybuji, si vбz dovoluji zdvoшile upozornit na fakt, ћe bezpeиnostnн komise dodud neobdrћela (alespoт pokud jб vнm) kopie certifikбtщ UIAA na vaљe horolezeckб lana. Vнte jistм velmi dobшe, ћe zkuљbna TЬV Vнdeт, kde jsou vaљe lana certifikovбna, nemб oprбvnмnн UIAA. Tйto zkuљebnм byla pшed nмkolika lety akreditace UIAA odebranб - a stejnм je tomu i v pшнpadм zkuљebny v Ostravм. Jste-li skuteиnм vlastnнky labelщ UIAA na vљechny typy horolezeckэch lan, jak uvбdнte v katalogu Lanex, doloћte to prosнm kopiemi UIAA certifikбtщ. Pak by ovљem musela chyba vzniknout pшнmo v centru UIAA, kam jsem jiћ vznesl dotaz. Odpovмdi dosud neznбm.
Ani vaљe vysvмtlenн horolezeckй veшejnosti, kterб se v katalogu Lanex setkala s nekalosoutмћnнm nadhodnocovбnнm parametrщ statickэch lan, kterэm byste na pravou mнru uvedl vaљe "tiskovй omyly", jsem v ћбdnйm mйdiu nezaregistroval.
Na zбvмr bych rбd uvedl, ћe za mojн aktivitou v BK ИHS lze sice z vaљeho ъhlu pohledu vidмt stшet zбjmщ, ale mne vћdy v prvnн шadм zajнmala bezpeиnost horolezeckй vэbroje. Padni komu padni.
Samozшejmм, tнm ћe SINGING ROCK vyrбbн jak horolezeckй ъvazky, karabiny, a novм i lana - mбm o tomto sortimentu pomмrnм hlubokй znalosti a mбm i zmapovanй jednotlivй vэrobce, znбm jejich produkty a vнm kde se snaћн koneиnйho uћivatale "oљulit" marketingem, aniћ by brali na zшetel v prvй шadм uћivatelovu bezpeиnost. Zde jsme se tedy stшetli a vљe nakonec skonиilo mojн rezignacн na funkci љйfa BK ИHS. Skuteиnм nestrannйmu nбstupci, najde-li se, pшeji v pokraиovбnн mnoho zdaru. Vљem i Vбm pane шediteli pak pшeji zejmйna zdravн a љtмstн v Novйm roce a vмшнm, ћe pшes konflikty se posuneme na vyљљн kvalitativnн ъroveт, takћe z naљich diskuzн nakonec bude mнt uћitek Nбљ Zбkaznнk - tedy koneиnэ uћivatel, horolezec.
S pшбtelskэm pozdravem

Ing. Vladimнr Kшapka
===========================konec citace
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 16:28:48 28.05.2002
 Certifikбty
To PHP nмjak blbne, posнlal jsem to jen jednou :-)
=========================
Potvrzenн Pita Schuberta je jistм dщvмryhodnб zбleћitost. Nepsal jsem, ћe to je mбlo. Jen jsem chtмl znбt vaљe stanovisko k tomu, co jsem si pшeиetl na serveru ИHS.
To, co pнљete mi ale poшбd nevysvмtluje, proи psal pшedseda BK ИHS v prosinci, ћe komise nemб kopie certifikбtщ vaљich lan.
Pokud jste je mмli, proи jste je komisi nedali?
Nebo jste je jeљtм nemмli a teп uћ je mбte?
Mй pochybnosti by asi lйpe rozptэlilo, kdybyste se k tomu postavil иelem a vecnм a vysvмtlil jak to tedy s tмmi atesty je a bylo.
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 16:39:06 28.05.2002
 Certifikбty
To PHP nмjak blbne, posнlal jsem to jen jednou :-)
=========================
Potvrzenн Pita Schuberta je jistм dщvмryhodnб zбleћitost. Nepsal jsem, ћe to je mбlo. Jen jsem chtмl znбt vaљe stanovisko k tomu, co jsem si pшeиetl na serveru ИHS.
To, co pнљete mi ale poшбd nevysvмtluje, proи psal pшedseda BK ИHS v prosinci, ћe komise nemб kopie certifikбtщ vaљich lan.
Pokud jste je mмli, proи jste je komisi nedali?
Nebo jste je jeљtм nemмli a teп uћ je mбte?
Mй pochybnosti by asi lйpe rozptэlilo, kdybyste se k tomu postavil иelem a vecnм a vysvмtlil jak to tedy s tмmi atesty je a bylo.
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 16:57:18 28.05.2002
 Certifikбty
Petшe,
prosнm zatelefonujte mi na 0653/751 250

Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 07:32:32 29.05.2002
 :)))
Jirko, Jirko, Jirko...na co si tu hrajeљ?
Mбљ telefon tak mu cvrkni a je to ne? Mм to tшeba konkrйtnм vщbec nezajнmб...:)
Zapsal: Olivби, 23:16:58 29.05.2002
 re: jirko,jirko.....
Nojo vlastne mas Olivaci pravdu, uz mne nebavi bejt Mirek Dusin, jdu si nekam cvrnknout.....
Zapsal: jirka, 04:32:30 30.05.2002
 Re: Olivби
Uznбvбm, ћe tyto vмci by se nemмly probнrat v komentбшнch na LEZCI, ћe by to mмl Lanex ve svйm zбjmu vhodnм objasnit, pшнpadnм by se o to mмla starat bezpeиnostnн komise ИHS a ta to zveшejnit na jinйm serveru.
Stejnм tak uznбvбm, ћe jestliћe do tйto debaty Pavel Schiesser z Lanexu dobrovolnм a neoficiбlnм vstoupil, je nesolidnн se do nмj tady strefovat.

Na druhou stranu se domnнvбm, ћe jestliћe tady padajн nбzory, ћe lana Lanex dobrэ, ale pшedevљнm proto, ћe jsou levnмjљн, ale ћe jinak nic mimoшбdnйho, pak padne podezшenн, ћe nejsou zkouљena v akreditovanй zkuљebnм a pracovnнk Lanexu (byќ neoficiбlnм) to odbyde: "zavolej mnм, nмjak Ti vysvмtlнm", budн to alespoт ve mnм podezшenн.

Dobrozdбnн Pita Schuberta mб jistм jistou vбhu. Ale jestliћe vznikla nмjakб norma UIAA, tuto znaиku smмjн pouћнvat pouze vэrobky testovanй ve zkuљebnм s certifikacн UIAA, Lanex zkouљel ve zkuљebnм, kterб tuto certifikaci ztratila, ale pшesto na svэch lanech tuto znaиku mб, tak tady nмco smrdн.
Tшeba to mб nмjakй velice jednoduchй a srozumitelnй vysvмtlenн. Ale proи ho nikde neиtu?

Olivбиe tato kauza nezajнmб, ale jб bych tшeba docela rбd vмdмl, jestli se poшбd mohu spolehnout na znaиku UIAA a rбd bych vмdмl, jestli lano na kterйm lezu odpovнdб normбm a jestli se mnou (jako se spotшebitelem) Lanex nehraje nмjakou faleљnou hru.

Martin Mellan
Zapsal: melloun, 08:41:27 30.05.2002
 Lanex je OK
Protoћe jsem to tady nakopl, mмl bych to dokonиit. Vzhledem k tomu, ћe jsem se pana Pavla z Lanexu nedovolal, zavolal jsem Honzu Bloudka (mнstopшedseda ИHS) a dozvмdмl se toto:
1) Zkuљebna ve Vнdni, kterб testovala lana z Lanexu mб drobnй administrativnн problйmy - chybн jн љtempl, takћe nenн tak ъplnм autorizovanб.
2) Lana z Lanexu byla kromм шady jinэch svмtovэch vэrobcщ testovбna nezбvislэm testem a dopadla velmi dobшe. Kromм Mammutu uћ jen Lanex ve svэch ъdajнch mekecal a zjiљtмnй (pбdovй) parametry lan byly lepљн, neћ ъdaje vэrobce.
3) pan Pavel je moћnб odbornнk na lana, ale bohuћel ne odbornнk na otevшenou komunikaci, protoћe tohle jsme se mмli dozvмdмt od nмj.
Souhlasнm s Mellounem, ћe jasnб a otevшenб fakta jsou lepљн neћ kroucenн se a mlћenн, kterй vzbuzuje podezшenн z nмjakй levoty a v dщsledku љkodн tomu, co mмlo brбnit.
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 09:44:49 30.05.2002
  Lanex certifikace

Pшбtelй,
chci k tomu dodat jen dvм vмci:
1) Nenн zбjem tuto kauzi " nмjak " vysvмtlovat
2) Lana jsou v prvnн fazi certifikovбna dle EN
892 a na zбkladм ъspмљnэch zkouљek dostanou
lana certifikбt CE - nasleduje инslo zkuљebny
u Lanexu 0408 Vнdeт. Vydбnн certifikбtu UIAA
je skuteиnм zбvislй na dohodбch mezi
certifikujнcнmi orgбny. UIAA jako takovб
џбdnou zkuљebnu nemajн.
Zapsal: Pavel z Lanexu, 12:39:43 30.05.2002
 lanex
takze jestli tomu dobre rozumim - Olivac na ceskejch lanech neleze, Melloun jo a ja za sve anonymni sebe si uz cesky jutaweis znova nekoupim. Mimochodem zkusebna ve Vidni je UIAA akreditovana na kdeco, ale bohuzel ne na dynamicky lana [to je informace z roku 2002]. Zdravi nespokojeny zakaznik lanexu.
Zapsal: , 08:43:24 01.06.2002
 :)
jen jsem reagoval na vмtu Jirky: "...ћe by kaћdйho zajнmalo..." nic vнc.Pa a
Zapsal: Olivби, 14:43:07 01.06.2002
 Lanex po pбr mмsнcнch
I kdyћ diskuse u tohoto иlбnku jiћ utichla, pшispмl bych s dalљн zkuљenostн: Koupil jsem si devнtku Lanex Eiger a pouћнval ji ve dvojici s Edelridem. Po vylezenн dvou cest v Dolomitech a pбr slanмnнch se zaиal na Lanexu docela pмknм posunovat oplet a dмlat boule na jбdшe, zatнmco Edelrid (mмl nalezeno pшesnм o tшi horskй cesty a dvм slanмnн vнc) nevykazoval ћбdnй zmмny. Posun opletu na tмch 40 metrech slanмnн byl nмkolik centimetrщ a znatelnм ztмћoval sjezd na TRE Siriusu.
Mбm jeљtм necelэch pщl roku Lanex Altea pro lezenн na pшekliћce. I na tomhle lanм jsou uћ boule na jбdшe.
Zapsal: Petr Jandнk, 15:05:43 19.08.2002
 tre Sirius
Pouћнvбm Sirius jiћ nмkolik mмsнcщ i pro slaтovбnн a jeљtм nikdy se mi nepodaшilo jet tak rychle, aby byl oplet jakkoliv zmмnмnэ a ani se dosud nepodaшilo dosбhnout nмjakй vэraznмji zvэљenй teploty. Pшi slanмnн pшes osmu se mi lano a osma zahшнvajн urиitм vнc.
Pokud se ћivotnosti lana tэkб, Pit Schubert tvrdн, ћe ani ъplnм rozdrbanй иtyшicet let starй lano se nemщћe v praxi pшetrhnout, pokud se nepadб pшes ostrou hranu.
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