Nirmal Purja: na K2 jsem vylezl bez podprnho kyslku | |
 Neplec Nirmal Purja oznmil, e vylezl 16. ledna na K2 bez pouit pomocnho kyslku. Nirmal je znm tm, e na pechoz osmitiscovky lezl s kyslkem.
Ve verejm oznmen vysvtloval, e nyn se rozhodl jt do vtho rizika a kyslk nepouil.
Zda pomocn kyslk pi vstupu pouil dal pedk z 10lenn skupiny neplskch horolezc Mingma G, kter ped vstupem sdloval, e chce lzt bez kyslku, zatm nen znmo.
Pedpokld se, e dal Neplci ze skupiny kyslk pouili.
Zde je prohlen o vstupu bez O2, kter vera na Instagramu zveejnil Nirmal Purja:
V kyslkov masce je napklad na videu z podvrcholu K2 Sona Sherpa , kter jako jako jedin z 10 len vrcholov skupiny reprezentoval agenturu Seven Summit Treks:
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| O2 | 12:51:28 19.01.2021 | | Co kdyz mel O2 a nepouzil? Asi neni stejne hodnotne, jako nemit O2 vubec ssebou. | | P. | odpovdt  |
| | Re: O2 | 12:57:09 19.01.2021 | | Bez o2 vichni lenov nebo jen on? | | odpovdt |
| | | Re: O2 | 14:20:57 19.01.2021 | Jak pu ve v tom krtkm lnku:
"Zda pomocn kyslk pi vstupu pouil dal pedk z 10lenn skupiny neplskch horolezc Mingma G, kter ped vstupem sdloval, e chce lzt bez kyslku, zatm nen znmo.
Pedpokld se, e dal Neplci ze skupiny kyslk pouili.
V kyslkov masce je napklad na videu z podvrcholu K2 Sona Sherpa..." |  Standa | odpovdt |
| | Re: O2 | 20:51:06 19.01.2021 | | Jinaci levl;;;) | | odpovdt |
| | Re: O2 | 22:47:21 19.01.2021 | Asi ne, no.
"Kilian Jornet said recently on Instagram: If someone in the team is carrying O2, the exposure disappears since if the non-O2 climber has a problem, he/she has immediate access to O2."
"In this sense, what really makes all the difference is not just the use of oxygen, but its availability. Years ago, ExplorersWeb founder Tom Sjgren spoke of psychological O2 how if O2 is available in a higher camp or a cache, a climber will take more risks and go higher than if that potentially life-saving resource were not available."
-- https://explorersweb.com/2021/01/08/k2-the-oxygen-controversy/ | | m. | odpovdt |
| navdy sporn | 12:55:36 19.01.2021 | | Knrek nem omrzl, na bund nmrazu jak na prsou, tak na kapuci jen vpravo, kde m kyslkov maska filtr. | | odpovdt |
| | Re: navdy sporn | 14:53:12 19.01.2021 | | Lidov soudy se rozbhaj.... | | v soudce Va | odpovdt |
| | Re: navdy sporn | 15:49:44 19.01.2021 | Nmrazu nem ani na kopku, take jasnej kyslk!
Tvl to jsou soudy vod televize... | | J | odpovdt |
| | Re: navdy sporn | 22:54:52 19.01.2021 | | Toto bude asi ten dovod: explorersweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/139843159 _1080140465782188_537455759183942519_o.jpg | | m. | odpovdt |
| Kyslk | 17:34:34 19.01.2021 | | Kyslk, nekyslk, je to frajer. | | Rintintin | odpovdt |
| | Re: Kyslk | 20:49:40 19.01.2021 | | J si napklad beru i hlium. | | Tom K. | odpovdt |
| | | Re: Kyslk | 21:49:33 19.01.2021 | | Dleit je vzt si vlhen ubrousky. | | odpovdt |
| | | | Re: Kyslk | 12:31:40 20.01.2021 | | A co takovej EPO,...potom umlej O2 ani nepotebuje | | odpovdt |
| | | | | Re: Kyslk | 17:35:42 20.01.2021 | | Moc um na Vertical Limit! | | Jaryn | odpovdt |
| | Re: Kyslk | 22:38:00 19.01.2021 | Jako je ale o hodne hodne mensi ;)
Ive used O2 on Everest and I could not believe the difference it made. I went from feeling like I was at 7,500m (cold, bit weak, lightheaded) to feeling like I was running around in the Alps in summer. Its not just the additional fuel it gives your muscles. Its the cognitive ability and the warmth it also gives. Its an amazing feedback circle. I think people massively underestimate the difference O2 makes, I certainly did. Its also not just about pushing yourself physically further. Its also about knowing when to turn around on O2, it doesnt matter, you just turn around. But without O2, you are on a ticking timer: You need to know when to turn around in order to get back down low enough before your body and brain shut down on you. Without the cognitive help that O2 gives, it is very very hard to know when that turnaround time is. The commitment to climbing without O2 is next level. I took my mask off on the summit of Everest to set up a camera and pretty soon I started to feel like sh*t. I remembered thinking to myself, if I started to run down the fixed ropes now, would I make it down low enough?Remove [the O2] and its not the same thing at all.
-- https://explorersweb.com/2021/01/08/k2-the-oxygen-controversy/ | | m. | odpovdt |
| K2 O2 | 22:52:41 19.01.2021 | Este pridam zaujimavy nazor do diskusie:
"Of course, the debate around the use of oxygen will continue, since most no-O2 advocates point out that even if any of the climbers reached the top and descended without O2, they were supported by a strong team that did.
Nevertheless, as Simone Moro says, One can always evolve, and there is always room for better styles and ethics. In other words, for those yearning for a winter climb of K2 that is completely free of supplementary O2, the challenge awaits."
-- explorersweb.com/2021/01/18/k2-photos- details-and-reactions-to-an-epic-climb/ | | odpovdt |
| Kdyby jenom kyslk, | 02:56:58 20.01.2021 | | ale taky s sebou mli erpy. | | Papou | odpovdt |
| Klra | 10:12:55 20.01.2021 | | To je jina level ne nae Klrka a jej sebeprezentace... | | odpovdt |
| | Re: Klra | 13:55:36 20.01.2021 | J bych to nevidl tak ern, naopak je to ance na dal kolo PR, ve kterm se dozvme, e kdy tam lezla, tak byla zima, take ... :-))).
Jde prost jen o to tma sprvn mediln uchopit;-). | | odpovdt |
| | | Re: Klra | 02:16:41 21.01.2021 | | Navc Klrka v rozhovoru sama piznala, e by rda zkusila njak ten prvovstup, tak teba znova ta K2? Vchodn stna je stle voln ... budem dret paleky ;-) | | glo | odpovdt |
| | | Re: Klra | 02:17:12 21.01.2021 | | Navc Klrka v rozhovoru sama piznala, e by rda zkusila njak ten prvovstup, tak teba znova ta K2? Vchodn stna je stle voln ... budem dret paleky ;-) | | glo | odpovdt |
| | | Re: Klra | 02:17:19 21.01.2021 | | Navc Klrka v rozhovoru sama piznala, e by rda zkusila njak ten prvovstup, tak teba znova ta K2? Vchodn stna je stle voln ... budem dret paleky ;-) | | glo | odpovdt |
| | | | Re: Klra | 06:05:29 21.01.2021 | | Chlapi, akoliv si to neuvdomujete, tak se zde prezentujete jako zavistivci a navc anonymn. Kdy by jste byli chlapi, tak se podepete. Nebo se stydite, ze pomlouvte enskou? Asi k mrdky. | | Ivo Pokorny | odpovdt |
| | | | | Re: Klra | 10:54:04 21.01.2021 | | ensk nebo chap, je to jedno. Co na tom zle? A pomlouvn? Od kdy je shrnut zkladnch fakt a upozornn na vyhbn se pravd pomlouvn? M to njak pomotan. | | odpovdt |
| | | | | | Re: Klra | 11:38:09 21.01.2021 | | Jaky srhnuti? Akort zbyten kecy a hnus. | | odpovdt |
| | | | | | | Re: Klra | 11:40:34 21.01.2021 | | O jakch faktech mluv a bud konkrtn. | | odpovdt |
| | | | | Re: Klra | 11:39:19 21.01.2021 | My ji nepomlouvme, my si z n dlme prdel:-) ... pomluvou by bylo, kdybychom tvrdili, e tam nevylezla vbec. Oproti tomu e celkem kreativnm zpsobem (ne)prezentuje nkter aspekty svho vstupu:-))), je hol fakt.
Dalm nespornm faktem je to, e drtiv vtina lid nikdy nemla problm uznat, e jakkoli vylzt K2 je slun morda a vhrady se tkaly zpsobu, jak to dotyn prezentovala.
Take se zklidni.
A fajn, podepu se jako ty ... Karel Novk. Nebo Franta Rika? Pepa Vystril?
Lep? | | odpovdt |
| | | | | | Re: Klra | 11:47:31 21.01.2021 | | to e m problm s identitou a ct se jako tri osoby sem fakt tahat nemus. Pokud se neum pi tchto vpadech podepsat pravm jmnem tak v mch och si prv ta mrdka. To e sem tahate svoje komplexy a lite si je na ostatnch je znan vidt a fakt to nezakecas. | | Ivo P. | odpovdt |
| | | | | | | Re: Klra | 11:36:07 22.01.2021 | A ty jsi pro mne pus, co si mysl, e kdy sem vihne njak neoven a hlavn neoviteln Ivo P. ... co koukm kouzlo nechtnho:-) ... tak je rzem king a Lezcov autorita.
A neroziluj se tolik, nen to zdrav;-))). | | odpovdt |
| | | | | | | | Re: Klra | 21:38:42 22.01.2021 | | Za sv jmno se nestydm a pod svj nzor pokud je tohoto druhu se podepu. A s tou lezeckou celebritou jsi m udlal radost. Jinak vbec neem jej vkon, myslm e lezen je natolik individuln sport, e mi je pln jedno jestli si nkdo nco vymysli nebo ne. Protoe pokud se to proval, ztrat respekt sm a j nejsem z tch co pidvaj pod kotlem. Picus, mrdka jsme si kvit. | | Ivo P. | odpovdt |
| | | | | | | | | Re: Klra | 00:11:26 23.01.2021 | Te trochu vn. Jmno si napsal, nic proti, ale jen ty v, e to jsi opravdu ty, navc je to celkem bn jmno, co kdy se hod do strejdy ggla, tak vyjede tvch jmenovc a bda. Prost v tomto diskuznm prosted je jmno pln zbyten a dobr je akort pro sledovn souslednosti pspvk.
Jinak co se te KK, jak u jsme psal, j z n mm prost srandu, ne proto co vylezla, ale jak se chov a prezentuje. Na zvist a v tomto smru jsem u fakt moc starej a navc se o tch utra kopcch rd na nco podvm, petu si a tak, ale sm bych tam nelezl ani kdyby mi to nkdo zacloval s plnou penz. Prost mne to nelk. Hlavn na star kolena ta zima ... Alpy v lt max do 3 tis, pivo na chat a sta. | | odpovdt |
| | | | | Re: Klra | 00:47:27 22.01.2021 | Vak j nepomlouvm, vdy si to me poslechnout sm :) (as cca 8:40)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Tk681hQ7Q
A to e jsem si trochu ouchnul bych fakt pomluvou nenazval. Prost m jen mylenka na Kolouchovou jak realizuje prvovstup pobavila. Ale jestli se ji to nkdy povede tak samozejm smeknu kloubouk ;) | | glo | odpovdt |
| | | | | | Re: Klra | 13:04:09 22.01.2021 | | Navc to, e pokroutila realitu plus ta sebeprezentace, u j sype. Vera jsem ji vidl v reklam, jak j ... ohrom v horch pomh | | odpovdt |
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